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Mark Driscoll bad-mouths Catholics

Mars Hill is a popular church among SPU students, but are its teachings accurate

By AMANDA LENGYEL, Layout Editor

Published: November 16, 2005


Mark Driscoll is wrong. I know this is a strong statement; I would not write it unless I meant it, and could back it up.

Two weeks ago, I never would have said this. Two weeks ago, I felt some reservations about Mars Hill Church, but still defended it among my more critical peers. Today, the nicest thing I can say about Driscoll is, well, he seems passionate - horrifyingly misled, but passionate - about sharing the Christian gospel. I think.

My support for Driscoll and his church fell away on Sunday, Nov. 6, when Driscoll used the pulpit to spread gross falsehoods to about 4,500 people who attended his sermon that day. Driscoll made outright statements about the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) that were factually false. Furthermore, he made these statements in a very disrespectful and demeaning manner.

To illustrate this, I'll outline the false statements Driscoll made, as well as the actual Catholic theology. All quotes of Driscoll are taken from the online posting of his sermon, "Jesus Died to Forgive Us" on the Mars Hill website (marshillchurch.org).

"The way you and I get justified is through Jesus Christ. How exactly does this transpire? This is the great debate between Catholics and Protestants." Driscoll is saying that Protestants are saved by Jesus Christ, but Catholics disagree. This is false.

According to the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (CCC), justification is "the gracious action of God which frees us from sin and communicates ‘the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ' (Romans 3:22)." This is a point on which the Protestant and Catholic Churches agree. From the beginning, Driscoll's entire sermon was built on the platform of a falsehood.

Driscoll then went on to outline how he thought the Catholic Church taught salvation, saying, "First, you're saved by baptism." Ummm, wrong! As stated above, the RCC believes people are saved by grace.

To be saved as a Catholic, you do not have to be baptized. The CCC says "Baptism is the first and chief sacrament of forgiveness of sins because it unites us with Christ, who died for our sins and rose for our justification." It is a sacrament, not a requirement, and it further emphasizes the justifying work of Christ.

Further misconstrued was the sacrament of penance and reconciliation. Yikes! Driscoll had fun sharing his own take on this Catholic doctrine. According to him, "Throughout your life you'll commit sins, so what you do, you'll go to the priest, because the mediator between you and God is the priest, not Jesus... Not that God would forgive me, the priest would forgive me."

These sacraments, as defined by the CCC, are "the sacramental celebration in which, through God's mercy and forgiveness, the sinner is reconciled with God and also with the Church, Christ's Body, which is wounded by sin."

Sinners are not forgiven by the priest but through God's mercy and forgiveness. That is a big difference.

In the CCC's definition of "mediator" it says, "Jesus Christ is the ‘one mediator between God and the human race' (1 Timothy 2:5). Through his sacrificial offering he has become high priest and unique mediator who has gained for us access to God's saving grace for humanity." This leaves no room in the Catholic faith for any other mediators. It is said, plainly and obviously, that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. How then, could Driscoll think that the priest was the mediator?

Moving on to some of the false - and horribly disrespectful - comments, Driscoll attempted to explain his conception of Catholic purgatory. "If you commit a pretty bad sin you go to purgatory... [purgatory is] kind of like going to the airport and missing your flight... you can't go anywhere, you can't get out, there's nothing to do and it's just sort of this terrible place that you wait till you get picked up to go somewhere you really want to be."

Oh, make sure to insert riotous laughter of the congregation right after "missing your flight."

Again, the CCC defines purgatory as: "a state of final purification after death and before entrance into heaven for those who died in God's friendship, but were only imperfectly purified; a final cleansing of human imperfection before one is able to enter the joy of heaven." Purgatory is a place with a very important purpose. It is the last state of sanctification, which requires suffering (Rom. 5:3-5) of a Christian before they enter the presence of Christ.

Regarding indulgences, Driscoll offered a theoretical conversation between a surviving relative and a priest. It went like this:

Priest: "Aunt Sally is in hell."

Relative: "Well, how much does that cost?"

Priest: "Umm, like, $29.95!"

As entertaining as that was for the Mars Hill congregation, it had nothing to do with what indulgences truly are in today's Catholic Church.

This is clarified greatly at www.catholic.com, where it explains that it is traditional to give a stipend to a priest performing a memorial Mass for the dead, a Mass for the benefit of someone in purgatory. This stipend is usually around $5.

Thus, indulgences are neither a way to "buy your relatives out of purgatory" or "a money-making bonanza" used to build St. Peter's Basilica, as Driscoll accused.

These are just some of the many falsehoods Driscoll propagated about the Catholic Church. Driscoll's errors of fact and entirely unnecessary attitude of childish disrespect require a correction and apology - if he misleads 4,500 people, he needs to step up and admit he was wrong in front of 4,500 people.

Or, he could at least apologize to people specifically asking for an apology.

My friend, fellow Catholic and fellow SPU student, Joe Howard was at Mars Hill with me. After hearing Driscoll's sermon, he sought to find the pastor so he could discuss what he felt were the errors in it.

Howard instead met Driscoll's personal assistant who informed him that Driscoll is too busy writing sermons, teaching, and formulating theology, to meet with people. Howard was informed there was a panel of other pastors and volunteers he could talk to, but not to Driscoll. He was also told that all of Driscoll's e-mail is filtered by Driscoll's assistant, and it is unlikely Driscoll would see any e-mail Howard wrote about the sermon.

Howard persisted, against these odds, in his quest for truth behind the pulpit and e-mailed Driscoll on Tuesday, Nov. 8. He has yet to hear back from anyone at Mars Hill.

When the factual inaccuracies and disrespectful nature of Driscoll's sermon are combined with his inaccessibility, I can't help but agree with the group on www.facebook.com called "Mars Hill: Possibly a Cult."

It frightens me that one of the largest churches in Seattle is propagating falsehoods and will not accept correction or criticism.

I have to wonder how many people believed the errors they heard from Driscoll on Nov. 6.

Does Mars Hill believe Driscoll's falsehoods, or are they simply afraid to speak against him?

I, for one, was afraid to too loudly express my opinions during the service, because the large security guard several feet to my right was giving me dirty looks.

Wait! Security guards at church? Something seems very, very wrong with that.

This is all to say, be careful! If Driscoll will so willingly misconstrue about the beliefs of a church of 1 billion people, how can we know he is not twisting the Bible, so that it too fits his personal theology?

With more errors than I can count in one sermon, how many others does Driscoll regularly tell to his congregation of 4,500? And worse, do they believe the lies?

I hope not. But after that sermon, I am afraid. Very afraid.

This is not to say that Driscoll is mind-washing people, but I feel that something is wrong - so wrong that it publicly demands correction and apology.

So, be careful, critically analyze what you hear at church, and whatever you do, don't drink the Kool-Aid.


Comments

Tom said:
Thanks for this article. It's been five years since you wrote it, but I was at the same sermon and felt the exact same way. There were so many blatant misrepresentations and I felt it a grave injustice to the thousands of eager listeners at Mars Hill in Seattle who actually could have learned some truth about what Catholic Christians believe. Mark Driscoll's portrayal was a caricature of the Church which did nothing to further a healthy debate between Catholics and Protestants. In the end, I pray these differences no longer exist.
Anna W said:
As mentioned above, this WAS written a long time ago. Pastor Mark has mentioned many times since then that he struggles with pride and regrets some of his past comments. Also, try to imagine how impossible it would be for him to meet with EVERYONE who disagrees with him!

All in all, just realize that Pastor Mark is human and deserves the same amount of grace you give any pastor....perhaps more, because he's analyzed so closely.
anaika said:
agreed with anna. last time i checked, pastor mark is human, not God. he knows that his responsibility of preaching and teaching is a big responsibility and that he tries to correct and apologize when needed. what i hear from the sermon is: Jesus is the WAY. and Religiousness can be legalistic. i think that there are definite times that sermons (no matter what church) offend people. I think that we should celebrate that this Church is leading people to love Jesus and to love others. it makes me sad that people tend to write over and over again about how "controversial" this church is. I think that if you were to sit in ANY church service, you could pick out things that are "wrong" or you disagree with.
Amanda said:
To the Amanda who wrote this article:

Please get your facts right! St. Peter's Basilica was constructed using funds from the selling of indulgences. As stated in Martin Luther's 95 Theses, "Christians are to be taught that if the pope knew the exactions of the pardon-preachers, he would rather that St. Peter's church should go to ashes, than that it should be built up with the skin, flesh and bones of his sheep." That was a major issue Luther had with the Catholic Church at the time.

Also, an indulgence is in fact an attempt of the church to sell forgiveness from sins. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "An indulgence is the extra-sacramental remission of the temporal punishment due, in God's justice, to sin that has been forgiven, which remission is granted by the Church." The encyclopedia then goes on to list what sins are forgivable through the sale of indulgences.

Finally, as someone who both attended the Mars Hill service in question and comes from a Catholic family, I was in no way offended or shocked by what Mark said.

I think we all need to remember not to be quick to judge others or twist their words due to pre-conceived bias.
jon said:
The word suffering in Romans 5:3 is referring to the present day in which paul is writing this letter not after death as you stated. I believe the point that pastor mark is trying to make about the priest being the mediator is, that is exactly what many catholics believe. It doesn't matter what the ccc says if the priest doesn't paint the right picture, the congregation is being decieved. I believe you misunderstood mark there. How many catholics even know about the ccc, and if the ccc says the only mediator is Jesus Christ then why do they encourage their congregation to confess their sins to the priest? If confessing to the priest means nothing, WHY DO IT? This is the problem with the catholic church. They are very decieving and legalistic. I would go beyond what driscoll says and ask the question. Why does the piest dress in a white robe and prance around like he is above everyone else in the congregation? Pastor mark is very edgy. The fact of the matter though is that he is more than justified in making fun of any religion that doesn't teach that faith in Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Jesus plus anything else equals death. I applaud pastor mark for pointing out the ravenous wolves in sheeps clothing. Above all, I thank God for preachers like Driscoll, Macarthur, Piper and anyone else who speaks the truth. We all will never agree on every detail, but anyone who preaches the entire bible will eventually offend catholics. The truth hurts.
jebeau said:
Emergent churches are ridiculous. All this arguing means there is no unity among protestants. Big surprise. And protestants will defer to their pastors with even more misguided loyalty than a Catholic to the pope. Mark Driscoll has absolutely no apostolic authority. And everyone thinks he is an authority on the catholic church somehow. The Catholic church's teachings are easily findable, and they are badly misquoted here, but I'm sure that's not a problem for anyone here. Even though we all signed agreements that we would not libel anybody on this blog. But the Catholic church will survive. Even long after, hundreds of years, in fact, after Mars Hill is dead and gone. God bless.
catholicdude said:
I just found this article. First to commenting Amanda: indulgences do not forgive sins! The remit temporal punishment for the sin, the consequences other than eternal damnation that the sins incur. There is a huge difference between the two. Second, to Jon, Confession is, unfortunately for you, in the Bible, read John 20. If someone teaches the ENTIRE Bible as you say, they actually won't offend Catholics, but would become Catholics. Two reasons: one, the entire Bible includes books that Martin Luther eliminated because they didn't support his theology, and second because when Scripture is preached in context and as a whole in undeniably supports Catholicism one hundred percent.
andrew parker said:
Come to Jesus Christ, start reading your bible, and it will lead you away from the traditions of men (the catholic church).

The Word of God is the only authority for our lives... not a horrible depraved organization with a spotty history. Come to Jesus. Read the Bible.
Hendrix said:
Very eloquently written article outlining the shortcomings of Driscoll's theology. If I were neutral to the Gospel, I may have considered that Amanda's viewpoint wasn't littered with fallacious statements and blatant contradictions to the Word of God that exists within Catholic doctrine. I was raised Catholic and spent many years (blindly) defending the traditions that were held so dear by Catholics. Eventually, I grew weary of not having answers to difficult doctrinal questions, so I did my own research, in the Bible.
The RCC has invented so many new doctrines since its inception, it's absurd.
Amanda, I'm curious how you cannot see how one would associate a priest, Mary, or any of the saints that are prayed to as some form of false mediator. Oh wait, you don't "pray" to them, you just ask them to be an intercessor to Jesus. If Jesus is truly your only mediator, why do so many Catholics pray the rosary or ask saints to intercede? Catholicism effectively blinds its members eyes from the sufficiency of Christ.
Another doctrinal fallacy is the idea of purgatory. Though your description of the CCC's definition is well-written, there's not an ounce of truth in it. Romans 5:3-5 is speaking of the present age. How can the CCC position itself as holding to the doctrine of justification through Jesus' death and resurrection while concurrently believing in purgatory. Belief in purgatory by definition negates the atoning work of Jesus' death on the cross. You must choose: Jesus' death is sufficient or not (purgatory)!
Catholicdude: Martin did not eliminate books from the Bible. The Catholics actually added the apocryphal books many years after the original canonization. Luther simply restored the Bible to its original state. Unfortunately, the Bible does not support Catholicism, even a little bit, it does support a saving faith in Jesus Christ and a most gracious Father that seeks to save the lost. Catholicism dishonors the Bible on a regular basis by adding to its teachings (again warned about extensively throughout scripture and profoundly in Revelation 22:18-19). This is the practice of false prophets we are warned about throughout scripture. Jesus constantly, vehemently is correcting the Pharisees for practices that are synonymous with Catholic behavior. I pray that you can see the dangers in what the Catholic church is doing and stop devoting your time to defending your "religion" and start defending your GOD. Reading the Bible with the correct lens is paramount to understanding it. Try on the Jesus lens and momentarily give the Catholic lens a rest.
In summation, Mark Driscoll hit the nail square on the head on this one. His tone and tenor may not have been the most reverent, but he is most definitely accurate with his comments.

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